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department and they started working a little embezzlement.
department and they started working a little embezzlement.
Kevin: This was at the [inaudible 00:13:49] ?
Kevin: Was this at D.E.C. or at...
David: Pardon?
David: Pardon?
Kevin: at DEC or...
Betsy: At Creative Computing.
Betsy: At Creative Computing.
David: '78. And, so, obviously we fired these two. And then the court
David: '78. And, so, obviously we fired these two. And then the court
finally, they determined that they had also, one of them had been
finally, well they determined that they had also, one of them had been
involved in welfare fraud and other stuff and the court ordered
involved in welfare fraud and other stuff and the court ordered
them to pay it back at the rate of, I don't know...
them to pay it back at the rate of, I don't know...
David: It was some tiny amount.
David: It was some tiny amount.
Kevin: [inaudible 00:16:26]
Kevin: Still paying you... [laughter and crosstalk]
Betsy: Course they'll never pay anything.
Betsy: Course they'll never pay anything.
That's what I was afraid of. Less than a year later he was out of
That's what I was afraid of. Less than a year later he was out of
business. There was no way you could compete with these big guys.
business. There was no way you could compete with these big guys.
Ziff instantly started having these receptions at PC expos.
I mean Ziff instantly started having these receptions at PC expo...
Betsy: They had ad reps all over the country.
Betsy: They had ad reps all over the country.
David: Ad reps, yeah. Oh my gosh. We would not have survived.
David: Ad reps, yeah. Oh my gosh. So we would not have survived.
Kevin: Again, you [inaudible 00:41:03] .
Kevin: So again, you timed it right.
David: Yeah. Not exactly right but yes. Wasn't bad. Wasn't bad.
David: Yeah. Not exactly right but yes. Wasn't bad. Wasn't bad.
are on the market are pretty tacky and not fun. I've devised
are on the market are pretty tacky and not fun. I've devised
something." We worked together with him. We finally decided, "All
something." We worked together with him. We finally decided, "All
right. We'll publish this game. By the way, he's a general and
right. We'll publish this game." By the way, he's a general and
finally retired.
finally retired.
Betsy: But he's not financing his retirement with [inaudible 00:54:29] .
Betsy: But he's not financing his retirement with the royalties of the game.
[laughter]
[laughter]
slipping and slipping and the subscribers would be calling up and
slipping and slipping and the subscribers would be calling up and
saying, "Where's my magazine?"
saying, "Where's my magazine?"
This went on. It was bi-monthly. It went on for maybe six months. I
This went on for.. it was bi-monthly. It went on for maybe six months. I
finally wrote an editorial in which I explained to the readers
finally wrote an editorial in which I explained to the readers
exactly what was going on. They didn't see it until it was printed.
exactly what was going on. They didn't see it until it was printed.
David: That's right, it did.
David: That's right, it did.
Betsy: They never saw it. We were producing it out of [inaudible 01:10:07]
Betsy: They never saw it. We were producing it out of Mendham
New Jersey and printing it in eastern Pennsylvania and they never
New Jersey and printing it in eastern Pennsylvania and they never
saw it until it was too late. My tenure was cut short but I didn't
saw it until it was too late. My tenure was cut short but I didn't
Betsy: [laughs] I probably wouldn't have gotten fired if they had.
Betsy: [laughs] I probably wouldn't have gotten fired if they had.
David: That was the straw that broke the camera's back.
David: That was kinda the straw that broke the camel's back.
Betsy: But then John [inaudible 01:11:05] kept doing it a little bit.
Betsy: But then John [inaudible 01:11:05 - Genshi? Genji?] kept doing it a little bit.
David: I know. In a lot of cases, particularly with the games magazine,
David: I know. In a lot of cases, particularly with the games magazine,
they wanted to approve everything that went in it. If you do an
they wanted to approve everything that went in it. If you do an
objective product review, you call it like it is. Oh m gosh, there
objective product review, you call it like it is. Oh my gosh, there
was one, it wasn't just one product but a roundup after Consumer
was one, it wasn't just one product but a roundup after Consumer
Electronics' show, and I don't remember what it was. Atari had
Electronics' show, and I don't remember what it was. Atari had