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  Kevin: Seems like for a while, you must have had many employees, filling up your 12 offices. How big was your empire?

  Kevin: Seems like for a while, you must have had many employees, filling up your 12 offices. How big was your empire?

  Wayne: I had over 250. When I brought the building next door to mine...My building wasn't bad, 40 rooms. The one next door was a little smaller, and then bought the motel, and another building up in North Peter borough for the books that we were putting out, and we put out a lot of books. We had a shipping department out in West Peterborough. [laughs] I don't know I'm like that, we grew and grew.

  Wayne: I had over 250. When I brought the building next door to mine...My building wasn't bad, 40 rooms. The one next door was a little smaller, and then bought the motel, and another building up in North Peterborough for the books that we were putting out, and we put out a lot of books. We had a shipping department out in West Peterborough. [laughs] I don't know I'm like that, we grew and grew.

  Finally, I said, "Well I've done that, and I want to move on." Compact disks have come out, and the industry is ignoring them. The Music Magazines, Hi-Fi Magazines won't have anything to do with them, they say, "Well, we're always going to have LP's, so we don't need a new medium", and I said, "Boloney." First, I sold all my computer magazines to computer world, and got 16 million dollars for that to work with.

  Finally, I said, "Well I've done that, and I want to move on." Compact disks have come out, and the industry is ignoring them. The Music Magazines, Hi-Fi Magazines won't have anything to do with them, they say, "Well, we're always going to have LP's, so we don't need a new medium", and I said, "Boloney." First, I sold all my computer magazines to computer world, and got 16 million dollars for that to work with.

  Kevin: OK. Going back even farther, when your ex-wife took the magazine from you, how did you feel? Did you feel betrayed, or was it just like an opportunity?

  Kevin: OK. Going back even farther, when your ex-wife took the magazine from you, how did you feel? Did you feel betrayed, or was it just like an opportunity?

  Wayne: Oh, sure. I sued her a little bit and settled for $100,000, which she never paid. That's when it cost me to start it. No big deal. I've never worried about money, never fussed about it. It's not important to me. Getting things done, sharing, is the big deal for me. When I find something fun, interesting, I have to share it. And that's what gets the magazines started and so forth.

  Wayne: Oh, sure. I sued her a little bit and settled for $100,000, which she never paid. That's what it cost me to start it. No big deal. I've never worried about money, never fussed about it. It's not important to me. Getting things done, sharing, is the big deal for me. When I find something fun, interesting, I have to share it. And that's what gets the magazines started and so forth.

  After CDs, I got that going. Then I sold that magazine. The next interest was Cold Fusion. I'd heard about it, and I heard more and more as I investigated. And I went out to a Cold Fusion conference out in...

  After CDs, I got that going. Then I sold that magazine. The next interest was Cold Fusion. I'd heard about it, and I heard more and more as I investigated. And I went out to a Cold Fusion conference out in...

  Kevin: OK. Why don't we get back to...

  Kevin: OK. Why don't we get back to...

  Wayne: Best of three. Oh, get back to computers.

  Wayne: That's the three. Oh, get back to computers.

  Kevin: Computer magazines.

  Kevin: Computer magazines.

  Kevin: Yeah? Tell me interesting people you met.

  Kevin: Yeah? Tell me interesting people you met.

  Wayne: Oh, I don't know. Let's see...well Bill Godbout. He put out Godbout computers for a while.

  Wayne: Oh, I don't know. Let's see... well Bill Godbout. He put out Godbout computers for a while.

  Kevin: You went to a lot of conferences, early computer conferences, I assume?

  Kevin: You went to a lot of conferences, early computer conferences, I assume?

  Wayne: How about Steve Jobs? Maybe you read my thing on that, where I heard about the Apple computer, so my wife and I stopped by to visit him. Took me out...well, first he called Steve Wozniak over, who designed and built the Apple I.

  Wayne: How about Steve Jobs? Maybe you read my thing on that, where I heard about the Apple computer, so my wife and I stopped by to visit him. Took me out... well, first he called Steve Wozniak over, who designed and built the Apple I.

  They took me out to the garage and showed it to me and he said, "What do you think?" I said, "I think you've got a winner." I said, "Up 'til now, all of our computers had a motherboard. You plugged in the processor. You plugged in the memory. You plugged in the communication. You plugged in the keyboard." I said, "You've got it all on one board. That's the way to go."

  They took me out to the garage and showed it to me and he said, "What do you think?" I said, "I think you've got a winner." I said, "Up 'til now, all of our computers had a motherboard. You plugged in the processor. You plugged in the memory. You plugged in the communication. You plugged in the keyboard." I said, "You've got it all on one board. That's the way to go."

  He said, "Well I'm going to sell it direct like we've been doing the Apple I." I said, "Well, we've got some computer  stores now. Why don't you sell it through those?" "Oh, they'd take a discount. No, we're not going to do that."

  He said, "Well I'm going to sell it direct like we've been doing the Apple I." I said, "Well, we've got some computer  stores now. Why don't you sell it through those?" "Oh, they'd take a discount. No, we're not going to do that."

  I said, "Alright, here's what you do first thing Steve, first thing. Hire a marketing manager." He hired a marketing manager, Mark Hula and learned it [laughs] and they sold through stores. The result was a very successful company.

  I said, "Alright, here's what you do first thing Steve, first thing. Hire a marketing manager." So he hired a marketing manager, Mike Markkula and learned it [laughs] and they sold through stores. The result was a very successful company.

If I'd been able to get through the wall around Steve Jobs, he'd still be alive. I think he had pancreatic cancer. It's so easy to cure if you change to raw food. I'm 90 doing raw food.

If I'd been able to get through the wall around Steve Jobs, he'd still be alive. I think he had pancreatic cancer. It's so easy to cure if you change to raw food. I'm 90 doing raw food.

  Kevin: I'm sorry?

  Kevin: I'm sorry?

  Wayne: Oh, of which? [laughs]

  Wayne: Oh, of which? [laughs]

  Kevin: Let's go with Microcomputing.

  Kevin: Let's go with microcomputing.

  Wayne: OK.

  Wayne: OK.

  I had a whole team of them in my 40 room house there, what had been a bowling alley part of the house we did for production and so forth. We all produced there. Then I added the other buildings, the one next door for the color computer and so forth.

  I had a whole team of them in my 40 room house there, what had been a bowling alley part of the house we did for production and so forth. We all produced there. Then I added the other buildings, the one next door for the color computer and so forth.

  Anyway, I kept adding more buildings. The books came out of north Peterborough and we put out quite of few books there of software and other things.

  Anyway, I kept adding more buildings. The books came out of North Peterborough and we put out quite of few books there of software and other things.

  Kevin: Type in software books?

  Kevin: Type in software books?